Over the past two months, I have conducted an interface seminar and workshop with a church in Manila, Philippines. The seminar was standard, and the Workshop continued our trialling process. The Pastors of this church were graduates of Kairos in the 1990s when mission mobilization was a revival movement in the Southern Philippines. Having pioneered a local church, Interface was the program they were now looking for. I conducted the Seminar with seventy-eight of their church leaders. The response was